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Premise and update: they also cut the second tent scene, which means that they only scene they left where they were physically intimate (apart from the motel where there wasn't much to be seen) was the first tent one which was the... rough sex I guess? While of course all the het scenes were there. Sorry for spamming about this but seriously, it's so dumb really.



Italian TV snips trigger Brokeback Mountain of protest
Cuts transformed Ang Lee's gay cowboy romance into a straight tale of friendship when it was broadcast on state TV on Monday*

*God, is that even possible? Well, guess it was...

Italians tuning in to their state TV network this week had a rare chance to see Brokeback Mountain, the tale of true friendship between two straight cowboys.*

* *headdesk* *headdesk* *headdesk*

At least that was the version of Ang Lee's gay cowboy Oscar-winner that was broadcast by channel Rai Due*: two love scenes between the male protagonists had been excised, cuts which provoked furious accusations from gay-rights groups of censorship driven by creeping homophobia in Italy**.

"The need to change a film about homosexual love into a film about simple male friendship says a lot about the current cultural climate," said Franco Grillini, president of Gaynet***.


* Which also broadcasts Lost and Supernatural and translates 'The Shape of Things to Come' into 'Changing of the Rules', 'Something Nice Back Home' into 'Unforeseen operation' and 'Nighshifter' into 'A Strange Robbery'. See why I never watch it?
** Kind of true.
*** And former Arcigay president who while has a complex of persecution and believes that everyone hates homosexuals, here he does have a point.

La Repubblica* noted that the cuts - involving a kiss between actors Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal and a love scene in a tent - came days after the Vatican attacked a European Union proposal that the United Nations formally condemn discrimination against gays.**

But Rai yesterday claimed the cuts were an honest mistake*** and promised to broadcast the full version of the 2005 film. "Since it went out after the watershed we could have shown the full version but did not have the copy****," said Rai director general Claudio Cappon. The copy broadcast, Rai said, had been supplied by a distributor for use before the watershed.

Opposition senator Luigi Vimercati called the explanation "embarrassing" and said he would demand a parliamentary inquiry.


* My newspaper!!!
** Which I wanted to post about in a specific post, but which has to be the most non-Christian thing I've heard all my life. Nothing to say.
*** Which accidentally included the gay scenes and left the heterosexual scenes. Sure.
**** Seriously? I mean, I have the full copy. Everyone who owns the dvd has it and the national TV doesn't? Are you taking me for an idiot or what? Totally agreeing about the explanation being embarrassing, even if it goes to Parliament I kinda dread that. It'll get ugly.

Critics noted that while the gay love scenes were removed, censors left a heterosexual sex scene in Monday night's version. "Evidently it is not sex which creates fear and pain, but the feelings between two men,*" said Grillini.

* Especially because one moment, they left the... well, let's say rough sex scene but cut the parts where they were really into each other and showed affection. Yeah. Sure.

Today, La Stampa asked in a headline, "Who stole the gay kiss?"; on the other hand, Il Giornale, the newspaper owned by the family of prime minister Silvio Berlusconi, dismissed the protest as the work of "the politically correct lobby"*.

* And that makes me want to vomit. Politically correct lobby? You're being politically correct and hypocrite if you cut that stuff. I won't comment on who owns that.

Vladimir Luxuria, a transsexual former member of the Italian parliament, said Rai's explanation was believable*, but said the version aired was like "the Mona Lisa without a head"**. She added, "A work of art deserves respect." Luxuria was last month voted by TV viewers the winner of L'Isola dei Famosi, a celebrity Big Brother contest filmed on a tropical island and broadcast on Rai Due.***

* WTF? Not really.
** Uhm, LOL? Not that I don't agree with the basic concept.
*** In short: one of the must disgusting programs ever broadcast here (note: that made me lose a lot of respect for the person speaking). So, on that same channel, we can get the transsexual winning the Tropical Big Brother while they cut BBM. Sure.

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And then, some parts of a blog post which was linked on the actual Guardian article which is worthy of getting mentioned. Before this, it says that it's not an explicit movie. And then:

But, all told, it's such a discreet film anyway that it's hardly worth fetching the scissors from the drawer to snip out those shots. To our eyes, the Rai2 cut would surely have resembled an extended Ted & Ralph sketch from The Fast Show, all nods and shrugs and coy sideways glances.

The end kinda make me laugh like nothing else because that was it. And then, just to make things clear:

Rai (Radiotelevisione Italiana) is Italy's state-owned television network, and it has never been shy of curbing or silencing those who don't adhere to its conservative brief. Rai3, remember, was where Sabina Guzzanti's sketch show was originally transmitted in 2003 - only to be pulled after one episode because she lampooned the then prime minister Silvio Berlusconi. The whole scandal is detailed in her 2005 documentary Viva Zapatero! "Italy ranks 53rd in a worldwide index of media freedom, after Benin, Ghana and Bolivia," Guzzanti says in the film. "Did you hear anything about that in the news? No. But then again, if you had, we would not rank 53rd."

And seriously, she's right. I mean, I love her and she's great and she did get axed way back then (and RaiTre is the liberal one, figure it out). But seriously, 53rd?!!! Well, she has a point.

The case of Brokeback Mountain, while relatively trivial compared with the censorship and threats endured by someone like Guzzanti, proves that she has a point. Aurelio Mancuso, president of the Italian gay rights' group Arcigay, has gone so far as to claim that Rai2's treatment of the film is symbolic of Italy's general homophobia. "We want to know who decided to show Brokeback Mountain ... with such blatant, 1950s-style cuts," he said. "Who had the presumption to think an adult public could not handle the sight of kissing and intimacy between two men?"

Why, because it's SHOCKING! And then, best-conclusion-ever:

It is only to be hoped that Rai2 doesn't get its hands on any other provocative material. If it does, Ang Lee might find his most recent movie Lust, Caution being screened simply as Caution, while Michael Winterbottom's 9 Songs would have to be trimmed to 3 Notes. With its long, joyful kissing scene between Sean Penn and James Franco, Gus Van Sant's forthcoming Milk could only go out semi-skimmed. And heaven help the hardcores: the entire back catalogue of Bruce LaBruce would be reduced to a few, subliminal blipverts. Somewhere, Pier Paolo Pasolini is shaking his head ruefully, and muttering whatever the Italian is for "plus ça change".

This guy has said it all. What about some semi-skimmed Milk? Meh, seriously. One would believe in 2008 we'd be over it. *sigh*

Date: 2008-12-10 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slybrunette.livejournal.com
Um...WOW. Some people just fucking fail at life. For instance.

Date: 2008-12-10 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janie-tangerine.livejournal.com
Yeah, that'd be pretty much the sum-up. I think I seriously want to change country when I read that.

Date: 2008-12-10 09:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] novalee17.livejournal.com
oh wow... i'm kind of speechless, to be honestly. i am so so glad that people in germany are quiet tolerant... we even have a gay mayor in Berlin, so yeah... as you said, it's FUCKING 2008 PEOPLE! ... -.-
i'm sorry, i get really angry about these kind of things... ;)

Date: 2008-12-10 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janie-tangerine.livejournal.com
Oh, I'm angry too ;) I just am so adjusted to this kind of stuff here that I just want to laugh at it. Seriously, here we had once a governor of a region maybe who was gay I think, but I doubt the latest elections reconfirmed him. That stuff leaves me so speechless that I can't really say a thing apart from them being idiots. 2008, 2008. *sigh*

Date: 2008-12-10 10:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] novalee17.livejournal.com
i'm kind of surprised that Italy is that.. well, far behind with this. i always thought europeans are more tolerant in general... but you know, YOU are italian, so there's hope! :)

Date: 2008-12-10 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janie-tangerine.livejournal.com
Yeah, but the point is that other European countries don't have the Church messing with politics or at least not at the level they're messing with it here. There isn't much tolerance on the issue I'm afraid *sigh*. But hell yes, I guess there is! ;)
Edited Date: 2008-12-10 10:05 pm (UTC)

Date: 2008-12-10 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lenina20.livejournal.com
Seriously. Get a backpack, get on a bus, and come here. This isn't heaven but your country is scary. How can this be tolerable? I really think it cannot be legal. Something should be done. Which is this union for if we do not help one another? Something needs to be done. Really.

*iz furious*

Date: 2008-12-10 10:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janie-tangerine.livejournal.com
Oh, I'd so do that. I swear that when I finish the first part of my degree next year if everything goes as planned I want to finish it somewhere else. Your country might not be heaven but it looks like that from here, no shit. I just can't get this intolerance about such a thing as sexual orientation just because there's the Church interfering with every-fucking-thing. I'd love for the EU to do something about this because that's ridiculous. 53rd? It's moronic. *hugs and is furious with you*

Date: 2008-12-10 10:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elliotsmelliot.livejournal.com
I think it is cool that you were onto this story first! The Mona Lisa without the head is a good way to described that travesty.

I must get my DVD back from my sister in law. She borrowed it last New Year's!

Date: 2008-12-10 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janie-tangerine.livejournal.com
LOL, totally. It was me and the comedian guy, but still, we were there first. Also, I should have caught the first cut last evening but I had the order of things wrong in my head.

Ouch, last December! That's a lot! Not as much as a book that I lent four years ago and that I'll have to buy again at this point, but still.

Date: 2008-12-10 10:33 pm (UTC)

Date: 2008-12-10 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janie-tangerine.livejournal.com
*is with you*

Date: 2008-12-10 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falafel-musings.livejournal.com
So they cut the kissing and affection, but kept in the rough tent fucking? Interesting what these censors find more taboo. And the het sex/kissy scenes left in? Guh, shame on these people.

Date: 2008-12-11 12:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janie-tangerine.livejournal.com
Yep, that exactly. If they kept the sex, but I didn't hear a mention of that being cut, only of the kiss and tent #2 (which I witnessed without being aware of it, but then I checked the DVD and it was after the point in which I caught it). And yeah, het scenes in, at least the one with Ennis and his wife. I suppose the other, too. *sigh*

Date: 2008-12-11 04:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mozartfan1313.livejournal.com
I don't get it. I really don't. It makes no sense to me. If a person doesn't want to watch a movie about two men in love with one another all they have to do is change the channel. Do they really think people would watch an edited movie about two guys who are just friends? I don't think so. The fact that people like that control what we can and cannot watch disgusts me.

Date: 2008-12-11 12:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janie-tangerine.livejournal.com
Same thing for me. And their excuses are plain stupid. Now they're saying they'll show it integral, but still, they've done the deed and it's just stupid because as you said if someone doesn't like it they don't watch it and they can't even protest because it wasn't even on prime time. And from what I've seen, it really did make no sense since they left the 'it's only between us' or how it was and cut all the rest. *sigh* I'm disgusted too.

Date: 2008-12-11 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mozartfan1313.livejournal.com
Actually, I read about the whole ordeal in the paper this morning (here in Canada) about the whole scandal over in Italy. The studio who played the film claimed they aired the edited one by mistake. lol.

Date: 2008-12-13 10:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janie-tangerine.livejournal.com
Seriously, we made Canadian newspapers? Oh. My. God. *sigh* Oh well. I'm already ashamed enough, figures like it's fair it makes other countries' newspapers. And yeah, they said that and I'm not believing it one second. ;)

[uhm, HI Nate. If I'm not mistaken. I think I need a 6FU icon asap.]

Date: 2008-12-14 04:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mozartfan1313.livejournal.com
Things like this happen all over the world, unfortunately. Not just in Italy. It's sad and disappointing that people still think this way, no matter where they are from.

Six Feet Under is my all-time favourite show.

Date: 2008-12-11 08:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] haldoor.livejournal.com
Absolutely nuts in this day and age. Glad it made the news anyway; will be interesting to see if they go ahead and play the uncut version some day soon. *hugs*

Date: 2008-12-11 12:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janie-tangerine.livejournal.com
They said they will because they don't have nothing to be sorry for etc. etc., but they still did the stupid thing. And I seriously can't believe they wouldn't check whether they were airing an edited edition or not. *headdesk and hugs back*

Date: 2008-12-11 09:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alemyrddin.livejournal.com
ancora non ci posso credere. E non l'avrei mai saputo se tu non l'avessi scritto. O meglio, forse i giornali ne hanno parlato, ma in qualche articolo seminascosto.

Allucinante.

Date: 2008-12-11 12:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janie-tangerine.livejournal.com
Che io sappia era su Repubblica di ieri, ma per il resto non s'è davvero saputo niente. :// allucinante davvero.

Date: 2008-12-11 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melian-eresseie.livejournal.com
Guarda, ci avrei scommesso. Mentre andava in onda ero in msn con un'amica e ridevamo - amaramente - di ogni taglio...
.Lo scempio che ne hanno fatto è semplicemente vergognoso.

Date: 2008-12-13 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janie-tangerine.livejournal.com
Io mi dovrei fustigare per non aver notato la tenda #2 quando è passato e non c'era, ma me ne sono resa conto il giorno dopo =_='' certo che comunque se hanno tagliato tutto potevano non mandarlo proprio e ci facevano una figura migliore loro e meno sangue amaro noi *sigh*. Ma che vergogna davvero.

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